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Entail – Robert Grant, 1801

Copy of Entail (deed) dated 16 May 1801, sent to me by Marjorie Dallas, descendant of Elizabeth Grant, illegitimate daughter of Robert Grant and Hannah Addis, born London c.1788. Robert Grant is the person referred to as “Elchies” in the “news from home” sections of William Grant’s letters to Lewis. Robert Grant’s descendants are now styled the “Grants of Carron.” Marjorie stated that Frederick, Mary and Ann were also children of this couple. Notes in red are mine. Malcolm Grant

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Legitimate children by his spouse Isabel Campbell –

Charles (christened 29/4/1786)*
James William (c. 28//8/1788)
Alexander (died young) (c. 7/8/1793)
William (c. 28/10/1794)
Peter (c. 4/11/1795)
Isabel (c. 22/3/1792)
Christian (Christina c. 30/1/1797)

Failing them & their heirs – (These appear to be his illegitimate children)

Frederick Grant, presently a student at the University of Edinburgh (later. A student of Law in London)
Robert Grant in the East India Company’s Civil Service in Bengal
John Grant, late merchant in Halifax, N.S., presently residing in London.
Charlotte Grant, presently residing in my house in London.
Her sister Louisa Grant, also residing in my house in London
Ann, sister of the aforesaid Frederick Grant
Mary Grant, her sister
Elizabeth Grant, her sister

Failing them –

Nephew William Grant, counsel at law (later Sir William Grant, Master of the Rolls in the High Court of Chancery)
Robert Grant, only son of my nephew James Grant, merchant in Quebec, deceased
Nephew Capt John Grant of the 65th Regt of Foot (later Major of the Invalides)
” Thomas Grant, distiller in Quebec
” Charles Grant
” Alexander Donaldson, merchant in Kingston Jamaica
Isabella Grant, eldest daughter of my nephew James Grant, deceased
Sophia Louisa, youngest daughter of the said James Grant
Niece Margaret Grant, spouse of Capt. John Shank of His Majesty’s Navy
” Mary Donaldson, spouse of the Hon. David Anstruther, Lieut., East India Co.
” Ann Donaldson, souse of Peter Cameron, writer in Banff
” Elizabeth Donaldson
” Margaret Donaldson

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24 Responses to “Entail – Robert Grant, 1801”


  1. 1 David Gardiner-Hill
    December 18, 2015 at 10:07 am

    Hi, My grandmother Mrs AWH Grant was the last of this line and sold Carron House in 1966. I would be please to compare notes on this as we seem to have complimentary information.

    Please do email me
    David

    • 2 David (Ted) Garway-Heath
      December 30, 2015 at 5:22 am

      I’m seeking the origins of Robert Grant (c1753-1830), collector of customs in Cawnpore for HEIC, and wonder if he may be the Robert Grant mentioned in the Entail as “in the East India Company’s Civil Service in Bengal”. Any information would be greatly appreciated!
      Ted

  2. 3 David Gardiner-Hill
    December 30, 2015 at 6:34 am

    Interesting question! James William Hamilton Grant – the heir was in the EIC in Calcutta and had all his children there, he made a fortune.

    This entail is the first reference I have seen to a second family and I therefore have no record of this Robert Grant – sorry

    I will have a look and try and establish the relationship. The dates of the first lairds offspring don’t really work they start in 1786.

    Unless your illegitimate Robert Grant was born in Canada. Looking at the dates I have the whole thing looks fairly dubious!! I will look again

    I have a son Alexander Grant b1793 d1835 who supposedly served as a Capt in the HEICS

  3. 4 David (Ted) Garway-Heath
    December 30, 2015 at 8:54 am

    Thank you for your quick response.
    It seems that Robert (c1753-1830) Grant’s family and James William Hamilton Grant’s families may have known each other, either through living in Bengal or through common Scottish roots: Robert’s son, another Robert (1798-1870), married in 1848 Isabella Charlotte, James W H Grant’s sister. A smoking gun, but enough for speculation! Since Robert (1720-1803) Grant didn’t marry until late in life, there was plenty of opportunity for him to have had children along the way – he would have been 33 in 1753. Judging by the wording in the Entail abstract, these putative illegitimate children may not all have had the same mother. Do you have a copy of the entail?

  4. 5 David (Ted) Garway-Heath
    January 1, 2016 at 7:03 am

    I have found some additional information which sheds light on the names in the entail:
    Robert Grant of Wester Elchies mentions the following (in addition to his ‘main’family’) in his will of 1803:
    – daughter Charlotte Grant
    – other daughters Louisa Mary Ann and Elizabeth Grant
    – Jean Jollin and Hannah Addis (given an annuity of £40 each)
    There is evidence that Hannah Addis was mother of at least two of these daughters:
    – the executirx of the 1859 will of Mary Addis ‘otherwise Grant’ was her niece Lavinia Mary Ann Bush
    – at the marriage of Elizabeth Grant to George Bush at the old Church St Pancras in 1808, Elizabeth was a minor and her guardians were Frederick Grant and Hannah Addis
    Charlotte Elizabeth Grant left a will dated 1840 (codicil dated 1843) and proved 1846; she mentions (amongst others):
    – nephew Frederick John Robert Grant; Frances his wife
    – sister in law Mary Isabella Elizabeth Grant, mother of said nephew
    – Mrs Matilda Creswell, Miss Sarah Wood and Miss Charlotte Wood the sisters of Mary Isabella Elizabeth Grant
    – (codicil) Mrs John Grant, widow of late brother John Grant formerly of the Isle of Guernsey
    – Trustees and Executors: Alexander William Grant of Kings Road Greys Inn and nephew Frederick John Robert Grant
    Louisa Grant mentions similar names, in addition to her sister Charlotte Elizabeth Grant, in her 1839 will.
    Frederick John Robert Grant gives the name of his father as Frederick William Grant at his second marriage in 1848.
    Frederick William Grant married Mary Isabella Elizabeth Wood at St George the Martyr 14th Jun 1804
    In the admission register for Lincoln’s Inn on 31st Jan 1791, Frederick Grant is ‘gent, 2 s. of Robert G., of Red Lion Sq., Esq.’
    In the Indenture for Frederick Grant’s clerkship, dated 1795, he is described as ‘one of the sons’ of Robert Grant.
    In several trade directories of the time, Robert Grant of 31 Red Lion Square is mentioned under ‘merchant commerce(s)’
    I haven’t found any baptismal records for these children of Robert Grant. Given the admission date to Lincoln’s Inn for Frederick and the date of birth for his wife (Mary Isabella Elizabeth Wood bapt 06 Dec 1772 St Mary, Whitechapel), it is likely that he was born in the early 1770s. His sister was aged under 21 yrs in 1808.
    There is a Jean Jollin (the only one I can find) of Kingsland Road buried 22 Sep 1813 at St Leonard Shoreditch, Middlesex, aged 80 (therefore born 1733). As she is mentioned in the same sentence as Hannah Addis in Robert Grant’s will, it seems likely she was also a mother of a child/children of his. If the Jean Jollin who died in 1813 is the same one, then she could have born children in the early 1750s.

  5. 6 David Gardiner-Hill
    January 4, 2016 at 7:28 am

    The Grant of Carron ‘Craig a crochan’ papers are in the Elgin Morayshire museum, placed there by David Byatt and the heirs of the Grants of Carron (wester Elchies)

  6. 8 admin
    January 4, 2016 at 7:34 am

    Thank you both for your contributions! I appreciate you keeping the discussion public, and not moving to email with it.

  7. 9 David Gardiner-Hill
    January 4, 2016 at 7:38 am

    Pleasure, do you know if Marjorie Dallas is still around? There is also a guy doing research into this branch on Ancestry.

    • 10 admin
      January 4, 2016 at 7:58 am

      No, I have no knowledge of Marjorie’s whereabouts. Her information came to me by way of Malcolm Grant of New Zealand back in 2003. I was last in touch with Malcolm in 2005, at which time he was preparing for retirement. I’ll see if he can be still be reached through either of the two addresses I had for him at the time. Perhaps he’s still connected with Marjorie. Note the nested ‘if’s’ here …

  8. 11 David Gardiner-Hill
    January 4, 2016 at 7:40 am

    Admin, can I post a picture here, I have rather a nice Carron Grant crest in the form of an embroidered fire screen.

    • 12 admin
      January 4, 2016 at 8:02 am

      No, I don’t think an image can be embedded in replies. Alternatives would be to provide a link to the image stored elsewhere, or to send the image to me for appending to the original post – with a proper citation, of course.

      • January 4, 2016 at 8:50 am

        This is a firescreen showing the Crest from Carron House by Aberlour Morayshire that was the property of Archibald William Henry Grant, the last of the Grants of Carron. Currently in my possesion.

  9. 14 admin
    January 4, 2016 at 9:03 am

    Very nice, David. The image is larger than the page format can deal with, but a click on the image shows it nicely on Dropbox.

    Hugh Campbell
    Brockville, Ontario

  10. 15 Fred Smith
    September 2, 2016 at 7:55 pm

    Morning
    Can you please confirm for me that Sophia Louisa listed by Robert Grant as his niece married John Martin in Quebec. If so, I have many letters of correspondence written to her daughter living in Australia from family members and friends which you may or may not be of interest you. Thank you for your wonderful site. Fred

    • 16 David (Ted) Garway-Heath
      September 26, 2017 at 5:18 pm

      Dear Fred
      Thank you for your post and apologies for the year’s delay in responding!
      Yes, I am able to confirm this. Robert’s niece Margaret, married to Vice Admiral John Schank, mentions several relatives in her 1843 will, including “…my four nieces (Major Martins daughters) £100 to be divided equally among them, to Jas Wm and Charles Martin £30 each…”
      I’d be very interested to see copies of the letters

      • 17 Fred Smith
        September 27, 2017 at 9:08 pm

        Thank you for answering my question as that confirms another family line. Letters are available. Can you help me on James Grant who sailed to Australia on the Lady Nelson who was mapping the southern coastline in 1800. Is there any connection to Margaret Grant or was it just friendship with Schank.. As he named one cape Sir William Grant Cape and another Cape Schank maybe there is a family connection. Looking forward to your reply Fred Smith

  11. 18 David Gardiner-Hill
    September 28, 2017 at 9:17 am

    Wow, that is interesting and amusing, must be a connection, let’s try and find it!?

    • 19 David (Ted) Garway-Heath
      September 28, 2017 at 12:19 pm

      Dear Fred
      That was an interesting question and finding the answer took a bit of searching…
      The answer is that there probably is a connection, but I don’t know exactly what it is. There is an article in The Sydney Mail Wednesday, June 25, 1919 ‘Australia’s debt to the Royal Navy A story of discovery and settlement’ which discusses the Lady Nelson: “The King had wished that Flinders should have the command; but a Lieutenant Grant, a relative of Sir William Grant. Solicitor-General, having the influential support of Sir Joseph Banks, got the appointment.”
      The Australian Dictionary of Biography states that the commander of the Lady Nelson “James Grant (1772-1833), naval officer, was baptized on 6 September 1772 at Forres, Morayshire, Scotland, the son of Robert Grant of Boganduie.” I haven’t yet followed that lead to establish the primary sources for these statement and exactly how this makes him related to Sir William.
      I had, rather lazily, assumed that this James Grant may have been Sir WIlliam’s brother James. Additional proof that this is not the case comes from Margaret Schank’s will, in which she mentions her niece Isabella Frobisher. The Wikipedia entry for Benjamin Frobisher says “In 1804, he married Isabella Grant, daughter of James Grant and Susannah Coffin. Mrs Frobisher was a niece of both The Rt. Hon. Sir William Grant and General Sir Roger Hale Sheaffe. After the death of her father, her mother had remarried The Hon. John Craigie.” Margaret Schank’s will also mentions her sister-in-law Mrs Craigie and Mrs Jas Grant widow of the late Captn Jas Grant Navy (and her daughters Mary and Louisa). So, clearly, the two James Grants are different people.
      Kind regards
      Ted

  12. 20 David Gardiner-Hill
    September 28, 2017 at 2:06 pm

    Schanck designed the keel of the Lady Nelson.

    He was the son of Alexander Schank of Castlerig, Fife, Scotland. He entered the Royal Navy when young. His remarkable skills at mechanical design earned him the nickname “Old Purchase” following his design and construction of a cot fitted with pulleys that allowed it to be adjusted by the person lying in it. As a lieutenant in 1776, he was placed in charge of assembling ships to battle the American Revolutionaries on Lake Champlain. In less than six weeks, he constructed HMS Inflexible, which he then commanded as part of a fleet that defeated General Benedict Arnold’s fleet in October 1776. His talents as an engineer were applied in General John Burgoyne’s expedition to the building of floating bridges.
    After being made a captain in 1783, he brought before the Admiralty his design for ships with a sliding keel which allowed navigation of shallow waters. His design was tested successfully and incorporated by the Admiralty into several larger vessels, most notably HMS Lady Nelson, which explored parts of Australia. HMS Cynthia, a 16-gun ship sloop launched in 1796, had three sliding keels.
    He also designed a system for moving cannons from one side of a vessel to the other, permitting her to carry fewer cannon. The system was tried on Wolverine, but was not adopted more widely. One problem was that when all the guns were on one side, there was little freeboard.
    He attained the rank of admiral of the blue in 1821. He married Margaret Grant (1761-1843), sister of The Rt. Hon. Sir William Grant, Master of the Rolls. The Schanks lived at Barton House, Dawlish, which was afterwards left to his brother-in-law, Major John Grant (1766-1835). He died at Barton House, 1823.

  13. 21 David Gardiner-Hill
    September 28, 2017 at 2:27 pm

    Aus DNB –

    Shortly before his promotion to lieutenant in 1800, he was appointed to command the Lady Nelson, thanks to his friendship with Captain John Schanck, a commissioner of the Transport Board, and to the influence of Sir Joseph Banks. The Lady Nelson, of only 60 tons burden, was designed by Schanck for survey work in shallow waters, and was one of the first sea-going vessels built in England on the centre-board, or what was then known as the sliding-keel, system. It was intended that she should proceed to Australia where she would be handed over to Matthew Flinders, while Grant, who lacked technical survey qualifications, should transfer to the Supply.

  14. 23 David Gardiner-Hill
    September 28, 2017 at 2:35 pm

    Robert Grant of Boganduie, there are references to this being in the parish of Aberlour. That is amazingly close (4′) to the Craig a Crochan Grant’s houses at Carron, Laggan and Wester Elchies.

  15. 24 David Gardiner-Hill
    September 28, 2017 at 2:56 pm

    The farm still exists and is shown in this map, however the name is spelled
    “Boginduie”. Look at this URL to see it in the modern map –

    http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=326245&Y=840580&A=Y&Z=3

    It is about 2 km from Carron at Miltown of Edinville.

    The Craig a Crochan Grants had humble beginnings, being from Alexander Grant b appx 1695 of Hillochhead,
    before gaining great wealth in Canada. This is also close by, I suspect they are indeed related. Though this is Grant country.


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